John Lennon in the College Tower

I would like to explain myself if you'll indulge me. First off, as Josiah stated, Jeremy's site was deleted a few months ago, therefore your not going to find anything in the archives. Also, what most of you don't know is that Jeremy had a blog before he came to Chattablogs, which is where you would have found most of the information your looking for. Also, most of this beef comes in the form of personal interaction with Jeremy, not stuff stated on a blog. Personally, I am not arguing whether or not Josiah had the right to take down Justin's blog. I agree that it's a private business (if I can use that term) therefore it's Josiah's decision. However, my problem has been with the personal attacks towards Justin after his blog was deleted. Justin's site is gone, it's over. I don't understand how Justin making comments about Jeremy, warrants his blog being removed AND having personal information leaked on here with threats of attacking his personal well being (i.e. his employment). This can be treated as libel, because although true, it's being done with malice. Once again, my only problem has been with how blown up this got. If you have a problem with Justin "harassing" Jeremy, the solution is not to "harass" Justin. Let's be adults about this, and let it go.

Thanks for your kind words John. I mean, I think I learned alot from our little altercation awhile back. The stuff with Justin, well, its sorta that I THOUGHT we had worked all this crap out before. In the past he had gained access to a guys blog and completely deleted it, which is irrecoverable, but I thought we worked it out so I was cool with him getting his own blog on chattablogs.

But then, a couple months later, he starts the whole thing over again, getting "anonymous" blogs and trying to blast Jeremy. It's just mercilous, cruel mockery. Having received a good bit o' that in my time, I've sorta got a "not around here" sortof attitude. I'm all about people throwing down and having it out, but that's not quite what Justin and Sir Pantz are up to.

Another funny thing: Justin has been trying a half dozen ways to signup for another blog on chattablogs. Its hilarious. I think I'll post his "signups" on my blog.

You're right Mr. JP I don't Jeremy or what he's done. Somebody tell why he sucks so much. If it's bad enough, Josiah might give Justin his blog back.

i'm not sure that posting someone's personal info in a public forum is an appropriate "punishment," regardless of what they've done. i mean, maybe i'm not stating that strongly enough. i just don't understand how you think this is an ok thing to do, josiah. deleting his blog, etc, sure. chattablogs is your bailiwick, right? but harassing someone like that (and calling on other people to do the same) is online vigilantism gone amuck. an eye for an eye, i could agree with (or a blog for a blog, whatever). but this is too much.

and john: "If Josiah feels that someone else's employee is harassing his patrons, I feel he has every right to report those incidents to that patron's employer"

that would only make sense if this guy was somehow actually representing the company he works for on chattablogs (he's not, he's being an ass in a purely personal capacity), or of his employer somehow owned him and was responsible for his personal online behavior (they're not, thank goodness).

i'm hoping that this is all some kind of joke anyhow, and that all these people whose names start with "j" are just facets of josiah q's tormented and bored mind doing online battle with itself... :)

Man Jerah, I wish I was bored. This whole stupid thing is an annoying waste of my time. I think I need to find a co-administrator of Chattablogs...

Of course, "online vigilantism gone amuck" would only make sense if there wasn't some kindof authority structure on Chattablogs, if I understand the concept of vigilantism at all. There is, of course, an authority structure on Chattablogs. It may be despotic, but its not vigilantic er, however you'd spell the predicate adjective version of "vigilante".

Well, there's a first for everything Jerah, and I think I disagree with you. Some of the things that Justin and his crew have been doing to Jeremy could be considered sexual harassment or harassment. Words like faggot, pussy, whiny bitch, have become considered crossing a certain line in our culture and I can't say I disagree (I know that Matt Richardson used the word faggotry and not Justin). That may not have to do with Josiah's trickery necessarily but I think that we teach people how to treat us by how we treat them. Justin has set the standard extremely low for how he wants to interact, and is asking for someone to do something very low to him. He's harassing Josiah at work, fooling with the Chattablogs system, if Josiah wants to return the favor its fair game. Justin set the rules.

point taken. it's true that this isn't vigilantism in the strictest sense. and i'm not questioning your authority over chattablogs. you're entirely free to use that authority despotically or not. but this guy's personal information does not fall under your chattablogsian authority.

for the sake of argument, let's say this guy had done something truly egregious, like sell child porn via his blog, or even just hinted at possible doing something similarly illegal. then you, as the chattablogs despot-in-residence, have a duty to report him to the department of imprisoning-child-porn-vendors-for-life, right? that's something that is outside your ability to enforce, but that you must somehow adequately respond to.

this, however, you're fully able to respond to in an adequate manner. you've already legitimately enforced your rules and taken the guys' blog down. and believe me, i understand that he's a royal pain in your patooty and keeps coming back to torment you and waste your time by applying for new blogs... so figure out something equitable, something equally annoying that would waste his time as well, if you want personal revenge. but don't pretend that you're justified in posting his personal info online for the world to see. that's harassment, and as much authority as you might have over chattablogs, you don't have the authority to harass someone like this. actually, our government doesn't even have enough authority to harass people like that. that's why it's called harassment, not enforcement.

woops, sorry john, i was responding to josiah. and hey, it's ok to disagree with me. it means you're probably wrong, but that's ok. :)

The interaction between Josiah and Justin is a different subject than what I first took on. The reason I got pissed in the first place was because this guy was picking on someone who wasn't trying to fight (from all, all appearances) and even if he was, Justin was just crossing some of my lines in the words that used and allowed Justin to be called. Now the blog is deleted, its over, but if he slips something by Josiah like he's trying to, it will start again, and if it does, I'm gonna try and help this Jeremy guy out as much as possible.

Jerah, firstly your contention that his "personal" information doesn't fall under my chattablogsian authority while rhetorically powerful, doesn't, in my opinion, really have anything to do with the situation.

It might be a helpful discussion in the "abstract" but the practical, real considerations is what to do to motivate Justin to stop his behavior. I know I'm drifting dangerously close to the ends justifying the means here, but there's something intuitively difference between say, me tossing out Justin's private information as a means to stop his inapropriate behavior and the US government ignoring the Geneva conventions to torture terrorist suspects to fight the war on terror.

Of course, it seeming intuitively different to me doesn't mean its intuitively different to you. And I hope you wouldn't employ some kindof "slippery slope" argument, because we both know how much the fundies LOVE that one.

But, I do think, like you reveal, that for me to truly be un-warranted AND guilty of "harassment" in this situation I WOULD have to be looking for revenge, which I'm not. Its just not how I roll. What I am looking for is a cessation of behavior; and I employ the tools at my disposal to that end. One of them being the threat of private information gone public.

[of course, its a side note, but anything I've posted CAN be found elsewhere on the web, but this dicussion is fun nonetheless]

no, yes, i would totally agree that what you're doing is different from "the US government ignoring the Geneva conventions" etc. and it is relevant that this personal info is actually published elsewhere on the web, so you're not really "publishing" it so much as re-publishing it.

but you're still organizing an effort to harass him. that's the part that's still wrong, whatever your motivations for it. you should definitely use the tools at your disposal, and you have the right to get creative about what those tools are, but i would still argue that harassment (of this kind) is not a "tool" that should be used. technically, putting mothballs in his gas tank is a tool at your disposal. it's just not one you should use.

i mean, harassment of the sort where you find out his e-mail address and fill his inbox with requests to start a new blog entitled "Give it up, lame-o," perhaps. that would be repayment in kind. of a sort (i'm not sure that there's a law about e-harassment of that kind yet, but i'm sure it's in the works). but calling his employer (and organizing other people to call his employer), no. not unless his employer was the one funding his nefarious activities or was otherwise involved in this whole thing, which is obviously not the case.

using people's personal info, whether they're listed in the phonebook or not, is something we have laws about, basically because harassment, like torture (see how i snuck that analogy in anyhow..:), is considered wrong regardless of the context. right? and i'm really not convinced that you're using the only tool at your disposal. i'm sure you can come up with something more creative and less bordering-on-illegal. or at least less unethical.

Josiah I would like to sign up for the job of co-admin. I have no real personal contact with any of the users here (cept one) and I would rule with an iron fist MWHAHAHAHAHAHA errr umm yeah just consider it.